Why do people vote against their own interests?

Question: 

As I’ve seen you already know, the people who are more attached to their beliefs through a need for belonging rather than a need for truth and reason confuse elitism with so-called liberal elites rather than the actual tycoon elites. This segment of the population votes against itself and its own interests and everyone else’s in doing things like denying climate change and letting corrupt leaders to carry on with impunity. No one knowingly would wish the very real consequences of these misinformed voting patterns. What can be done realistically to change this?

 Answer from ChatGPT

This is a fundamental and complex problem at the intersection of psychology, sociology, and politics. Your framing is incisive: when identity and belonging override reason and evidence, people can end up acting against their own interests—and everyone else’s. Here’s a realistic breakdown of what can be done to shift this dynamic, grounded in existing research and history:

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1. Rebuild Trust Through Local Institutions

People who vote against their interests often don’t trust the system. They see expert opinion, journalism, and even facts as tools of manipulation by hostile elites. Rebuilding trust doesn’t begin with national media or distant politicians—it starts locally.

• Community engagement projects that involve shared goals (clean water, public safety, job training) can make cooperation across divides feel normal again.

• Local journalism and local leaders—including pastors, coaches, or business owners—can act as bridges to rebuild factual consensus in ways national figures can’t.

Insight: This mirrors how early civil rights organizing succeeded in the U.S.—by working through trusted local structures.

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2. Narratives, Not Facts

You can’t change identity with data. People change when the story they’re living in shifts.

• Instead of hammering climate change statistics, tell stories where environmental stewardship aligns with dignity, patriotism, hard work, or protecting one’s children.

• Frame progressive goals not as elite corrections but as grassroots, practical ethics: “Do you want cleaner air for your kids? Jobs in solar? Less asthma in your neighborhood?”

Illuminating Mystery: Humans are narrative creatures. Even revolutions (good or bad) succeed through emotionally resonant myths.

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3. Expose the Real Elite—Without Condescension

You’re right: many people confuse the “liberal elite” (professors, journalists, etc.) with the actual ruling elite—billionaires who manipulate both sides for profit. This confusion is no accident; it’s been deliberately stoked.

• Rather than scolding people for being misled, offer them a better villain: highlight corporate tax evasion, lobbying, and manipulation in plain, everyday terms.

• Use cross-partisan messaging: populist anger exists on both the right and the left. Frame tycoon elites as the true enemy of both “working-class America” and “progressive ideals.”

Insight: This doesn’t just address politics. It illuminates why propaganda often succeeds—it hijacks valid resentment and redirects it.

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4. Invest in Civic Education—Starting Young

Many voters don’t understand how systems work—not due to lack of intelligence, but from being systematically deprived of civic education. That leaves them vulnerable to demagogues.

• Push for mandatory, engaging civics curricula in schools.

• Include media literacy, so future voters can spot bad actors and algorithms early.

• Normalize the idea of changing one’s mind as an act of strength, not shame.

Core idea: Informed citizens are not a natural product; they must be cultivated deliberately over generations.

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5. Radically Increase Political and Economic Empowerment

A sense of powerlessness breeds apathy and conspiracy thinking. If people believe their vote doesn’t matter, they’ll use it to vent, not govern.

• Participatory budgeting, local referenda, citizen assemblies—these give real stakes to democratic engagement.

• Economic democracy (co-ops, employee ownership, local investment programs) helps people feel the system isn’t just a rigged casino.

Related mystery: Real democracy is not just a vote every few years; it’s sustained empowerment.

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6. Practice Empathy Without Naivety

Moral superiority doesn’t change minds—it triggers defensiveness. Yet, neither does appeasement.

• Approach with humble inquiry: “What matters most to you?” instead of “Here’s why you’re wrong.”

• Assume people are trying to do the right thing in the way they see it. Meet them there, and build from that point.

This also illuminates: Dialogue is not agreement—it’s a joining of horizons that can transform both parties.

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Summary of Strategy:

• Use trusted local voices, not abstract authority.

• Replace lectures with emotionally powerful narratives.

• Redefine who the real enemy is—corporate plutocracy, not “bookish liberals.”

• Focus on early education and lifelong media literacy.

• Empower people in real political and economic decisions.

• Engage with empathy, not condescension.

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This is slow work, but there’s no shortcut. The stakes—ecological collapse, rising authoritarianism, the breakdown of shared reality—are too high for cynicism. Change happens at the speed of trust, and trust is built one relationship at a time.

Why hierarchy and innovation rarely mix: A Paean to Creative Nerds

There are thought leaders who can invite and harness the wealth of insight of creative and committed people. People who are creative and committed are often described as nerds. What distinguishes nerds from those reluctant to identify with nerdhood is that they are curious and creative as a matter of course, regardless of external incentives. In other words, their creativity is disinterested in the sense of being motivated to move the mental models forward and expand the frame of reference in their respective fields without reference to partisanship or entrenched tribal norms. They are the innovators who get us thinking, nudge us outside our comfort zone and drive the better side of what is called progress.

Although not inspired by extrinsic rewards, innovators are indeed hampered by disincentives, it should go without saying. Why would anyone disincentivize disinterested creativity and innovation rather than harness it? The only reason would be that it threatens the established order, that it is viewed as subversive to the order, and that the order is hegemonic.

Throughout history, great art was produced by unparalleled artists employed by the ruling class. Yet, the art is easily identified by era, indicating that style innovations were slow to accrue. Today, an exponentially expanding field of possibility is available to potential innovators, yet social structures  reproduce disincentives and thought innovation doesn't keep pace with the increase in available information and platforms to make it world changing. There is a canon that supports innovation-limiting social structures, a Canon of "objectivity" that belies its true nature.

The main value of The Canon resides in its false assurances of control:

• We set up a list of outcomes, assuming that no better / deeper understanding will emerge in pursuing them that might change them. We set up measures that readily stand in for the outcomes, although pursuing measures as ends can yield perverse effects. 
• We make a plan according to current knowledge, not in terms of the real world of ever-emerging possibilities.
• We then outline contingencies, assuming that we can adumbrate the list of relevant determinants of change.
• We execute a plan and consider deviations remarkable, requiring no end of justification and scrutiny, as if stasis were the norm. 
• We assign people formal titles and units, and expect their talents not to leak beyond these pre-defined impersonal roles.
• We break down challenges into discrete parts, and assign various disconnected units to tackle them and then wonder why everyone isn't on the same page. We might even measure the discrete successes of the units assuming that the sum of the parts is equal to the sum of the aggregate (not necessarily a "whole").
• We evaluate performance against set criteria in a changing landscape, although performance evaluations have been proven not to have any performance-enhancing value except in simple, transactional or mechanical activities. 

Where in the above is room for leveraging potentials? Whence engagement? The closure is almost complete. This perverts the ideal of the enlightenment and turns it on its head.

Nevertheless, the trope of objectivity allows the powerful to maintain control of the story of what should be done, how it should be done, and how well it was done, regardless of what actually happens, which tends to depend on ever shifting natural and cultural contexts. There is little to distinguish innovation from heresy, insubordination or subversion. The status quo is reproduced ad nauseum with nothing given legitimacy to challenge it.

That is not to say all people with high position are officious innovation stiflers. Many are thought leaders. What characterizes them?

They are open to possibility, have a desire to expand thought horizons for the greater good without any extrinsic incentive to do so. They have a keen eye for viable potential and encourage it. Their comfort zone is strong and wide, not because they control, but because they inspire trust and enthusiasm. They have a collegial appreciation of talent, seeing their employees as people with expanding potentials, not as pre-defined competency sets or roles.

Creativity, innovation, and the p in small p politics

When we're kids we're full of curiosity and wonder about the world that comes from our human need to learn and grow and develop. This doesn't stop in adulthood, but it seems to be about the first thing that earns political mistrust. (I'm talking small p politics.)

At work, there is nothing more exciting than sharing new ideas and solutions with enthusiastic colleagues who can help refine and improve them, provide advice, and put you in contact with others working on the same trajectories. I'm sure many people have had these positive kinds of experience.

On the other hand, there is almost nothing so hurtful as the assumption that creative enthusiasm is an attempt at one-upmanship or some kind of political manoeuvre. This assumption is a three pronged jab. It kills joy, it institutes mistrust, and it reinforces a cynicism about human nature that assumes that unless there's some form of power at stake, people will remain inert and idle when it comes to exercising their creative capacities.  It can come from peers in the form of ressentiment, or from "leaders" who need to rule the idea space.

I think of the word "geek" and how it is used to describe people who have a natural non-power-seeking interest in a subject. As teens we learned it's embarrassing to be a geek. We conspire against ourselves as teenagers to conform our self-expression to the norm.

I attended a talk last fall given by Julie Diamond who said that using your personal power (creativity, personal strengths) is generally frowned upon - people learn to be self-inhibiting, because that is supposed to make us non-intrusive. The point was that to be human, and fully democratic, we need to find ways of allowing self-expression without feeling threatened or intruded upon, threatening or intrusive.

Next time you inhibit your own creativity or feel suspicious of that of others, ask yourself why. In this story about monkeys conditioned not to go for a bunch of bananas, the inhibition was the legacy of some experimenter. But in our world, there was never any experimenter, so I wonder what legacy we are sustaining with our inhibitions.